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	<title>Comments on: The Economics of Unionizing Bloggers</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/08/06/the-economics-of-unionizing-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-66600</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the model that IS needed, and is more appropriate, may be a professional association -- that&#039;s entirely different from a union. A great model would be something like &lt;a href=&quot;http://nfib.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business)&lt;/a&gt;, which offers very low cost health insurance to its members, among its many benefits.

Some folks tried to start a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.probloggers.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pro-Bloggers Association&lt;/a&gt; a couple of years ago, but it doesn&#039;t seem like anything really became of it. I know that Rick Calvert and some others have launched &lt;a href=&quot;http://ibnma.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;International Blogging &amp; New Media Association&lt;/a&gt;, and there&#039;s also a couple of initiatives specifically focused on the podcasting and video segment.

A professional association and a union, though, are two &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the model that IS needed, and is more appropriate, may be a professional association &#8212; that&#8217;s entirely different from a union. A great model would be something like <a href="http://nfib.com" rel="nofollow">NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business)</a>, which offers very low cost health insurance to its members, among its many benefits.</p>
<p>Some folks tried to start a <a href="http://www.probloggers.org/" rel="nofollow">Pro-Bloggers Association</a> a couple of years ago, but it doesn&#8217;t seem like anything really became of it. I know that Rick Calvert and some others have launched <a href="http://ibnma.org/" rel="nofollow">International Blogging &amp; New Media Association</a>, and there&#8217;s also a couple of initiatives specifically focused on the podcasting and video segment.</p>
<p>A professional association and a union, though, are two <em>very</em> different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Trenn</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/08/06/the-economics-of-unionizing-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-66536</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I think that, especially given the context of the situation here - political bloggers and NOT bloggers from networks such as b5 - that this is an issue that will quickly fade away.  Because it is silly.

The left often thinks is collectivized term while the right often is more individualistic  Blogging, by its very nature is individualistic.  So you&#039;ll see great resistance coming from bloggers themselves.

Having said that, I agree with both Mary Jo&#039;s points that, in the future, a Screen Actors Guild or Writers Union may be more appropriate...but to me it should be more of an association.  One that provides benefits itself and not necessarily rely on a company or a blog network to do so.  Either way, that&#039;s years away.  

Scott Allen&#039;s gives an excellent analysis of the blogging arena in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I think that, especially given the context of the situation here &#8211; political bloggers and NOT bloggers from networks such as b5 &#8211; that this is an issue that will quickly fade away.  Because it is silly.</p>
<p>The left often thinks is collectivized term while the right often is more individualistic  Blogging, by its very nature is individualistic.  So you&#8217;ll see great resistance coming from bloggers themselves.</p>
<p>Having said that, I agree with both Mary Jo&#8217;s points that, in the future, a Screen Actors Guild or Writers Union may be more appropriate&#8230;but to me it should be more of an association.  One that provides benefits itself and not necessarily rely on a company or a blog network to do so.  Either way, that&#8217;s years away.  </p>
<p>Scott Allen&#8217;s gives an excellent analysis of the blogging arena in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/08/06/the-economics-of-unionizing-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-66517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An absolutely dead-on look at the topic of a blogging union, very Ensight-ful. Both in the well detailed thoughts presented by Jeremy, and by those additional comments left by posters. Thanks for leading us the way you do Jeremy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An absolutely dead-on look at the topic of a blogging union, very Ensight-ful. Both in the well detailed thoughts presented by Jeremy, and by those additional comments left by posters. Thanks for leading us the way you do Jeremy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/08/06/the-economics-of-unionizing-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-66498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William: Totally agree. Community rules, and passion has to stay the focus... Otherwise this all just becomes &quot;a job&quot;, which&#039;d totally suck.

Scott: Great point!

Glenn: b5 was started by 5 bloggers. Yeah, it&#039;s that simple. Sometims we really suck at naming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William: Totally agree. Community rules, and passion has to stay the focus&#8230; Otherwise this all just becomes &#8220;a job&#8221;, which&#8217;d totally suck.</p>
<p>Scott: Great point!</p>
<p>Glenn: b5 was started by 5 bloggers. Yeah, it&#8217;s that simple. Sometims we really suck at naming!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/08/06/the-economics-of-unionizing-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-66495</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it, bloggers fall into five categories:

1. Rock stars - the handful of people who can make a full-time living at it in the free market purely on their own merits.

2. Corporate bloggers - people who blog as a small part of their corporate (or small business) job.

3. Professional writers - people who write for companies that can&#039;t blog for themselves.

4. Experts - people who use blogging as a way to build their personal brand, demonstrate their expertise, and grow their business.

5. Hobbyists - people who are passionate about their topic and blog as a way to express themselves and share their passion with others.

Group 1 doesn&#039;t need a union - they&#039;re already doing fine financially.

Group 2 doesn&#039;t need a union - they&#039;re already on salary and benefits.

Group 3 is *maybe* the only group that could use a union, but even so, in the vast majority of these cases, they&#039;re being paid just fine.

Group 4 doesn&#039;t need a union - the blog is a marketing vehicle for them. The fact that they&#039;re getting paid to market themselves, rather than paying to market themselves is more than compensation enough. Those of us in this category make our money from selling products and services, speaking engagements, etc.

Group 5 doesn&#039;t need a union - these people would already be blogging anyway. The fact that they&#039;re getting paid for it is icing on the cake. And basically all they have to do is commit to posting volume.

I think Shane Navratil said it best over on Ryan Caldwell&#039;s blog:

&quot;Blogging is an entrepreneurial endeavor and a creative endeavor.&quot;

So you either do it because you love it, or you excel at it and make some decent money from it. What I certainly don&#039;t want to do is be supporting a bunch of half-assed hacks on basically some kind of blogger welfare. Those who blogging doesn&#039;t work for economically should go find another job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it, bloggers fall into five categories:</p>
<p>1. Rock stars &#8211; the handful of people who can make a full-time living at it in the free market purely on their own merits.</p>
<p>2. Corporate bloggers &#8211; people who blog as a small part of their corporate (or small business) job.</p>
<p>3. Professional writers &#8211; people who write for companies that can&#8217;t blog for themselves.</p>
<p>4. Experts &#8211; people who use blogging as a way to build their personal brand, demonstrate their expertise, and grow their business.</p>
<p>5. Hobbyists &#8211; people who are passionate about their topic and blog as a way to express themselves and share their passion with others.</p>
<p>Group 1 doesn&#8217;t need a union &#8211; they&#8217;re already doing fine financially.</p>
<p>Group 2 doesn&#8217;t need a union &#8211; they&#8217;re already on salary and benefits.</p>
<p>Group 3 is *maybe* the only group that could use a union, but even so, in the vast majority of these cases, they&#8217;re being paid just fine.</p>
<p>Group 4 doesn&#8217;t need a union &#8211; the blog is a marketing vehicle for them. The fact that they&#8217;re getting paid to market themselves, rather than paying to market themselves is more than compensation enough. Those of us in this category make our money from selling products and services, speaking engagements, etc.</p>
<p>Group 5 doesn&#8217;t need a union &#8211; these people would already be blogging anyway. The fact that they&#8217;re getting paid for it is icing on the cake. And basically all they have to do is commit to posting volume.</p>
<p>I think Shane Navratil said it best over on Ryan Caldwell&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;Blogging is an entrepreneurial endeavor and a creative endeavor.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you either do it because you love it, or you excel at it and make some decent money from it. What I certainly don&#8217;t want to do is be supporting a bunch of half-assed hacks on basically some kind of blogger welfare. Those who blogging doesn&#8217;t work for economically should go find another job.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Neumann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Neumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, how dare you write a well-thought out post to an issue that is just plain dumb? :-)

Unionizing blogging!!! And here I thought with blogging everyone was a publisher in their own right. Everyone comes (or should) come into blogging with their eyes wide open. Understand the ROI, the risks the network owners are taking etc., and if you still don&#039;t get it then get out of the kitchen...

Also, if we ever got down that road I&#039;m sure you&#039;d have to screen all posts before publishing from a legal standpoint. That should just about snuff out the immediacy of blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, how dare you write a well-thought out post to an issue that is just plain dumb? <img src='http://www.ensight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Unionizing blogging!!! And here I thought with blogging everyone was a publisher in their own right. Everyone comes (or should) come into blogging with their eyes wide open. Understand the ROI, the risks the network owners are taking etc., and if you still don&#8217;t get it then get out of the kitchen&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, if we ever got down that road I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d have to screen all posts before publishing from a legal standpoint. That should just about snuff out the immediacy of blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A union for bloggers? bahahahaha

Come on... I think some people are starting to over value their self worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A union for bloggers? bahahahaha</p>
<p>Come on&#8230; I think some people are starting to over value their self worth.</p>
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		<title>By: William Lehman</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/08/06/the-economics-of-unionizing-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-66457</link>
		<dc:creator>William Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A community is much more powerful than any union could ever be.  When it comes to blogging, passion for the topic should drive the content, rather than network owners, blogging unions, etc.  As a network, the goal isn&#039;t to push bloggers to provide content as much as it is to allow and help them to succeed where they already have interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A community is much more powerful than any union could ever be.  When it comes to blogging, passion for the topic should drive the content, rather than network owners, blogging unions, etc.  As a network, the goal isn&#8217;t to push bloggers to provide content as much as it is to allow and help them to succeed where they already have interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/08/06/the-economics-of-unionizing-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-66456</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franky, how &#039;bout we just pay you in coffee beans? No fuss, no muss, no taxes to worry about ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franky, how &#8217;bout we just pay you in coffee beans? No fuss, no muss, no taxes to worry about <img src='http://www.ensight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: franky</title>
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		<dc:creator>franky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m going to start charging blog network owners for my abusive coffee usage. Don&#039;t worry, I don&#039;t frequent Starbucks, just send me my weekly kilo Lavazza beans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m going to start charging blog network owners for my abusive coffee usage. Don&#8217;t worry, I don&#8217;t frequent Starbucks, just send me my weekly kilo Lavazza beans.</p>
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