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		<title>By: Janne</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-63438</link>
		<dc:creator>Janne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, I am sorry, but you did not actually *say* US anywhere in your article.  Therefore I took &quot;most expensive phone ever created for the mass market&quot; to mean globally.

Besides, the Nokia N95 is a more expensive phone - AND you can buy it in the US.

BTW, I agree - iPhone is overhyped, much like the original iPod was underhyped (considering how successful it became).  Just wanted you to get your facts straight ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, I am sorry, but you did not actually *say* US anywhere in your article.  Therefore I took &#8220;most expensive phone ever created for the mass market&#8221; to mean globally.</p>
<p>Besides, the Nokia N95 is a more expensive phone &#8211; AND you can buy it in the US.</p>
<p>BTW, I agree &#8211; iPhone is overhyped, much like the original iPod was underhyped (considering how successful it became).  Just wanted you to get your facts straight <img src='http://www.ensight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-63328</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrine: Feel free to wander round your town and tell me how many free, open wireless networks there are. In downtown Toronto (one of the most wired places on earth), I went for a half-hour walk and found 2 (2!!!) yesterday.

Also, it&#039;s not irrelevant. Apple could have chosen other providers (for whom providing connectivity would have been a requirement of the deal), and Apple wouldn&#039;t have been liable or in danger at all. EDGE sucks. Apple chose EDGE. AT&amp;T sucks. Apple chose AT&amp;T. Most of the current problems going on have to do with that choice. And anyone who believes Apple isn&#039;t responsible for their choice in provider is deluding themselves.

Nir: The key word there is &quot;mass&quot;. If you only made 10-100K of them, it isn&#039;t destined for the mass market. This is the most expensive mass market phone ever, hands down. Think of it this way, you&#039;re paying 600$ when you&#039;re locked in for 2 years. Name another phone you had to pay 600$ for with a 2 year contract. A CURVE is only 200$ with a 2 year contract.

Janne: More expensive phones exist in the rest of the world. Since this is a US-only launch, comparing the phone to US-only phones makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrine: Feel free to wander round your town and tell me how many free, open wireless networks there are. In downtown Toronto (one of the most wired places on earth), I went for a half-hour walk and found 2 (2!!!) yesterday.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not irrelevant. Apple could have chosen other providers (for whom providing connectivity would have been a requirement of the deal), and Apple wouldn&#8217;t have been liable or in danger at all. EDGE sucks. Apple chose EDGE. AT&#038;T sucks. Apple chose AT&#038;T. Most of the current problems going on have to do with that choice. And anyone who believes Apple isn&#8217;t responsible for their choice in provider is deluding themselves.</p>
<p>Nir: The key word there is &#8220;mass&#8221;. If you only made 10-100K of them, it isn&#8217;t destined for the mass market. This is the most expensive mass market phone ever, hands down. Think of it this way, you&#8217;re paying 600$ when you&#8217;re locked in for 2 years. Name another phone you had to pay 600$ for with a 2 year contract. A CURVE is only 200$ with a 2 year contract.</p>
<p>Janne: More expensive phones exist in the rest of the world. Since this is a US-only launch, comparing the phone to US-only phones makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Janne</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-63223</link>
		<dc:creator>Janne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some minor factual corrections: Nokia has had, for quite some time, more expensive phones, e.g. the Communicator series.  However, they&#039;re not carried by US operators, but in rest of the world they are.  E.g. N95 and E90, though they are of course more feature-packed than the iPhone.

Also, high-end Nokia phones (again, not the ones that ship in the US) have been shipping with the same browser (Safari) as the iPhone has, for over a year now.  And yeah, it&#039;s sweet.

What&#039;s revolutionary with the iPhone is that it&#039;s finally bringing the high-end phones to the US, and waking people up to the reality that cell phones don&#039;t have to be crappy.  And that&#039;s good, because then people will start to pay attention to mobility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some minor factual corrections: Nokia has had, for quite some time, more expensive phones, e.g. the Communicator series.  However, they&#8217;re not carried by US operators, but in rest of the world they are.  E.g. N95 and E90, though they are of course more feature-packed than the iPhone.</p>
<p>Also, high-end Nokia phones (again, not the ones that ship in the US) have been shipping with the same browser (Safari) as the iPhone has, for over a year now.  And yeah, it&#8217;s sweet.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s revolutionary with the iPhone is that it&#8217;s finally bringing the high-end phones to the US, and waking people up to the reality that cell phones don&#8217;t have to be crappy.  And that&#8217;s good, because then people will start to pay attention to mobility.</p>
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		<title>By: Nir</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-63172</link>
		<dc:creator>Nir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the phone is the most expensive to hit mass market is NOT true though. First cell phones for a while were several grand, the first compact Motorola which was the first to reduce cell phone to pocket size was I think 3 grand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the phone is the most expensive to hit mass market is NOT true though. First cell phones for a while were several grand, the first compact Motorola which was the first to reduce cell phone to pocket size was I think 3 grand.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrine</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-63007</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People knocking Apple&#039;s choice of Edge really have no concept of what is going on. First, most people will use the Wi-Fi, and rarely rely on Edge. Second, there is a huge patent fight going on now over 3G. Had Apple included 3G, Apple likely couldn&#039;t ship its product into the Country, and it might be another Creative Hundred Million Dollar deal all over again. Third, ATT is actually increasing Edge&#039;s performance so it doesn&#039;t suck so bad.

I agree about the ringtones, however, Apple is pretty quick to respond to complaints. I suspect there is a decent reason why you cannot do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People knocking Apple&#8217;s choice of Edge really have no concept of what is going on. First, most people will use the Wi-Fi, and rarely rely on Edge. Second, there is a huge patent fight going on now over 3G. Had Apple included 3G, Apple likely couldn&#8217;t ship its product into the Country, and it might be another Creative Hundred Million Dollar deal all over again. Third, ATT is actually increasing Edge&#8217;s performance so it doesn&#8217;t suck so bad.</p>
<p>I agree about the ringtones, however, Apple is pretty quick to respond to complaints. I suspect there is a decent reason why you cannot do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Erickson</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-62992</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t find the trackback url, so here&#039;s a post I made: http://www.billerickson.net/2007/06/30/iphone-v2-or-what-the-iphone-should-have-been/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t find the trackback url, so here&#8217;s a post I made: <a href="http://www.billerickson.net/2007/06/30/iphone-v2-or-what-the-iphone-should-have-been/" rel="nofollow">http://www.billerickson.net/2007/06/30/iphone-v2-or-what-the-iphone-sh ould-have-been/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-62961</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another bit: http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/06/things_to_do_with_an_iphone_wh.php

Someone&#039;s iPhone arrived dead. That&#039;s okay, it&#039;ll happen. I&#039;m sure Apple will replace it.

Last comment? Asks why in the world he can&#039;t use his music as a ringtone. And, yeah, that guy&#039;s the target market. Which... makes him 12 too? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another bit: <a href="http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/06/things_to_do_with_an_iphone_wh.php" rel="nofollow">http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/06/things_to_do_with_an_iphone_wh.php</a></p>
<p>Someone&#8217;s iPhone arrived dead. That&#8217;s okay, it&#8217;ll happen. I&#8217;m sure Apple will replace it.</p>
<p>Last comment? Asks why in the world he can&#8217;t use his music as a ringtone. And, yeah, that guy&#8217;s the target market. Which&#8230; makes him 12 too? <img src='http://www.ensight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-62959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the smell of fresh fanboys in the morning. Nothing quite like it.

James, have a nice day.

Tim, drop me an email and let me know what you think about the iPhone :)

Thomas, the best for last. Sorry, but how was dropping MMS a good design choice? Oh, and Apple didn&#039;t hype it? &quot;The most revolutionary mobile device in history&quot;? &quot;... will completely change the way users think about mobile computing&quot;? Sorry, have you not see the ads or the keynote? Apple hyped the hell out of this product.

And as far as me not being the target market, sorry I don&#039;t buy that. To say I&#039;m not the target market simply because I don&#039;t like the device is to believe that Apple made every single decision perfectly, executed on the iPhone perfectly and delivered a device sent straight from heaven. And that if I don&#039;t like it, it&#039;s because it wasn&#039;t for me. Not because they made any mistakes (gawd forbid).

Bill, thanks for stopping by mate. I actually agree with you that some of the choices were likely forced by AT&amp;T. I&#039;m not sure you can chalk up lack of MMS to that, but some of the choices. Which, of course, contradicts Thomas&#039;s theory that every decision was made by Jobs as a design decision ;-)

Anyways, I&#039;m done on this. My original post was fair. The iPhone is being vastly overplayed in the media and blogosphere. The iPhone has a huge number of missing pieces that regular phones are able to take care of at 1/10 the price. And, worst of all, that thing you want to &quot;just work&quot; (perfectly), ie: the phone portion, needs work.

And given all those bits, paying 600$ for the device and being told to be &quot;thankful&quot; for the privilege reeks of the Apple attitude of old. The attitude that would have killed the company had Microsoft not saved them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the smell of fresh fanboys in the morning. Nothing quite like it.</p>
<p>James, have a nice day.</p>
<p>Tim, drop me an email and let me know what you think about the iPhone <img src='http://www.ensight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thomas, the best for last. Sorry, but how was dropping MMS a good design choice? Oh, and Apple didn&#8217;t hype it? &#8220;The most revolutionary mobile device in history&#8221;? &#8220;&#8230; will completely change the way users think about mobile computing&#8221;? Sorry, have you not see the ads or the keynote? Apple hyped the hell out of this product.</p>
<p>And as far as me not being the target market, sorry I don&#8217;t buy that. To say I&#8217;m not the target market simply because I don&#8217;t like the device is to believe that Apple made every single decision perfectly, executed on the iPhone perfectly and delivered a device sent straight from heaven. And that if I don&#8217;t like it, it&#8217;s because it wasn&#8217;t for me. Not because they made any mistakes (gawd forbid).</p>
<p>Bill, thanks for stopping by mate. I actually agree with you that some of the choices were likely forced by AT&#038;T. I&#8217;m not sure you can chalk up lack of MMS to that, but some of the choices. Which, of course, contradicts Thomas&#8217;s theory that every decision was made by Jobs as a design decision <img src='http://www.ensight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;m done on this. My original post was fair. The iPhone is being vastly overplayed in the media and blogosphere. The iPhone has a huge number of missing pieces that regular phones are able to take care of at 1/10 the price. And, worst of all, that thing you want to &#8220;just work&#8221; (perfectly), ie: the phone portion, needs work.</p>
<p>And given all those bits, paying 600$ for the device and being told to be &#8220;thankful&#8221; for the privilege reeks of the Apple attitude of old. The attitude that would have killed the company had Microsoft not saved them.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-62957</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re an idiot. The iPhone is the best phone ever created and all you can do is b*tch about it. Get a freaking life!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re an idiot. The iPhone is the best phone ever created and all you can do is b*tch about it. Get a freaking life!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2007/06/29/iphone-must-die/comment-page-1/#comment-62924</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy- Features on the iPhone are what they are for many and various reasons, all of which were carefully considered by arguably one of the most talented businessman of our time.  You personally may not be pleased, but really who cares?  The truth is, you are so far out of Apple&#039;s design league in your judgement of what is important in this product it is laughable.  Job&#039;s job is to guide the company in making products that will make money.  He has done this with the iPhone on a level that is mind boggling.  The iPhone is a stunning achievement that offers unexpected and amazing features that are not to be found on any other device.  Most people care nothing about the few features or tech choices you complain are missing or are inadquate.  Most people buying the iPhone only had simple, free camera/music phones before.  Now they have a the most sophisticated, elegant computer/phone in their hands and they are elated at what their $600 has bought them.  Apple did not hype the iPhone, the features of the device sold themselves and people just cannot stop talking about them.  To say, iPhone Must Die, is  simply childish.  So are you like 12 or something?  No, I mean it, are you like 12 or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy- Features on the iPhone are what they are for many and various reasons, all of which were carefully considered by arguably one of the most talented businessman of our time.  You personally may not be pleased, but really who cares?  The truth is, you are so far out of Apple&#8217;s design league in your judgement of what is important in this product it is laughable.  Job&#8217;s job is to guide the company in making products that will make money.  He has done this with the iPhone on a level that is mind boggling.  The iPhone is a stunning achievement that offers unexpected and amazing features that are not to be found on any other device.  Most people care nothing about the few features or tech choices you complain are missing or are inadquate.  Most people buying the iPhone only had simple, free camera/music phones before.  Now they have a the most sophisticated, elegant computer/phone in their hands and they are elated at what their $600 has bought them.  Apple did not hype the iPhone, the features of the device sold themselves and people just cannot stop talking about them.  To say, iPhone Must Die, is  simply childish.  So are you like 12 or something?  No, I mean it, are you like 12 or something?</p>
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