It’s been an interesting week of criticism of b5media. We’ve been criticized for everything from selling a site that we never sold (the blogger was confused), to buying a site at a discount and turning a profit almost instantly, to our entire industry failing, to now not paying our bloggers enough.
Personally I think this is great. While I don’t appreciate being criticized inaccurately, the latest post on paying bloggers is fantastic. The truth is that there’s no “perfect” way to pay bloggers. So anyone who’s thinking about a solution (and, yeah, I’m a firm believer in anyone who’s complaining about something having a solution as well (hint hint, poke poke David, heh)) is only helping us out
Do We Pay Our Bloggers Enough?
So, do we pay our bloggers enough?
The short answer is… No.
In fact, I don’t think we ever could. I believe our bloggers each deserve fantastic wages for what they do, even if they only work 2-4 hours per week. I believe that every day our bloggers work some serious kind of magic that I’ve never seen before, and that no sane company would be able to pay them what they’re worth.
So the question isn’t do we pay them enough compared to what I want to pay them, but do we pay them “enough” compared to what the industry would pay them.
Before I get into this, though, 3 points:
1. Most people like to point out people who make a lot of money as examples of the potential of “going it alone”. The truth is, that these people either know a whole lot about things like design, programming and web design / web hosting, or can pay people who do. This isn’t true for most bloggers.
2. It is always “possible” for someone to earn more. But with the current “standard” mix of adsense, Text Link Ads and BlogAds (or mix any other 3), most bloggers won’t earn more than 100-200$/month. And it’ll take them at least 6 months to get to that point.
3. The monetary value b5 brings is really only about half the picture. Not having to worry about design, programming, hosting, etc, is worth (in industry terms) about 250$/month (that’s what you’d pay an outside firm to manage the day-to-day of your websites, even if you had the money).
Do Others Pay Their Bloggers Enough?
In order to really figure out if our pay model is “enough” compared to the industry, we need to know what the industry pays:
1. Gawker pays 2-5K/month (with some bloggers earning upwards of 10K, though they do more than just “blog”): this is for full-time work, and often for 10+ posts/day. This works out to about 20$/hour and about 10-15$/post. (this was at last publication and may well have changed)
2. Weblogs, Inc pays somewhere between 500-1000$/month to most of their bloggers (some earn more, some less): this is for part-time work, in which they write 100-150 posts per month. This works out to about 5$/hour and 5$/post. (this was at last publication and may well have changed)
3. Most other smaller networks either pay per post (4-6$ being the norm) or revenue share (in which bloggers earn 100-150$/month/blog, averaging out to about 3-4$/post).
So the industry average is about 10-15$/post and 1-2 posts per hour. Give or take. Some will be higher, some will be lower.
The History of Our New Pay System
b5media started doing revenue share. Revenue share was great for two key reasons: 1) it motivated us to do an okay job selling, because more sales meant more money for us, 2) it meant a fairly equal relationship between b5 and our bloggers.
But, there were some problems with revshare. Most notably: 1) it often took some time for ad programs like Text Link Ads to start earning bloggers money, so they could go several months earning just 20-30$/month from AdSense (note: we didn’t take any of the first 100$ a blog earned, feeling it was kind of cheap to be splitting so little money) and 2) it was never clear until we actually put all the data in what any given blog would earn any given month (for us or the bloggers)
So we worked a lot internally on a new solution. We considered paying per post. The problem was that that’d cap bloggers earnings. It’d pay someone who wrote a crappy post the same as it’d pay someone who got on the front page of Digg, Slashdot and TechCrunch. And, while we believe all content is valuable, we also believe people should be rewarded when they do something that brings us extra revenue and visibility.
We also considered paying hourly. The problem was that that would reward people who typed slower disproportionately. We then went and tried to devise this big formula which tried to pay for “value”. Something like a certain amount for posts, a certain amount for comments left, a certain amount for incoming links, etc, etc, etc. It was all very convoluted. And while it ended up paying bloggers a decent amount for doing things that were important, it lacked 2 critical things: 1) clarity and 2) clear upside for when the blogger brought significant value to b5.
So we came up with the new system. The post I linked to before says it’s “100$ + 1.50$/1000 pageviews”. That’s not quite accurate, but it’s close enough for argument’s sake. Assuming someone does their minimum post level (24 posts/month), and that their blog does about 50K pages/month (close to the average across the network), that would give the “average” blogger…
175$/month. Which works out to 7.30$/post, about 15$/hour and a CPM of about 3.50$.
All of these are fairly close to the industry average. Now, a chunk of our bloggers would tell you they don’t earn this, which is the problem with averages. Quite a few earn more. Quite a few earn 150-250$, but they post a lot more so the per-post and per-hour rates are lower (but, their blogs grow faster as well, which is kind of the point of this system: reward people for the value they bring to the network).
Do we pay our bloggers enough? Hell no. But we pay them within the range of industry average (at the higher end of it, even). And, to be clear, this payment system is in beta. Every 3 months we review the rates, and if an increase is appropriate we put it in place. Oh, and while it might not seem perfect, we got 130 bloggers to agree to it. And getting 130 bloggers to agree to anything is a pretty good sign that calling it’s neither unfair nor truly unbalanced.
Could it use tweaking? Of course. Should our bloggers earn more? Damn straight. But trust me, it’ll be us and our bloggers who are complaining about it long before anyone outside is.
Could You Earn More On Your Own?
Now, the flip side of all of this is what David alluded to, and what quite a few others keep saying: sure, being paid by b5 is alright, but you could earn more on your own.
Which is kind of like saying “yeah, your Prius gets great gas mileage, but if I could only hit the miles per gallon my car said when I purchased it I’d do even better”. Theory’s great. Practice is entirely different.
About half of the blogging world earns less than 100$/month on AdSense.
The harsh reality is that it takes 4-6 months for a blogger who is truly trying (ie: working a few hours a day) to get to “coffee money” (ie: 3$/day, ie: 100$/month). It’s not that it’s impossible. It’s that even with all of the fantastic information out there, it still requires traffic, visibility, design, hosting, platform tweaks, reading and emailing other blogs, etc. Before you even write, it’s not unusual for a blogger to spend 20+ hours/month on menial things.
During that 4-6 months that a blogger is building their earnings, a blogger will earn about 250-300$ (just using a standard averages curve). During the same 6 month period, if we use the figures David supplied above, a b5 blogger will earn about 500-700$. A difference of, let’s just say 350$ for argument’s sake.
It would then take our young blogger about 3 months to recoup that 350$. At which point their b5 blog would have earned them another 500$.
Really, running standard average curve-based math, it would take the average blogger 1 year to beat out the average b5 pay. In that time, they would have worked 100-200 hours on the things b5 provides for free. But even factoring that in, the average blogger will earn more than the average b5 blogger in 14-16 months.
Some will earn more. But then we have bloggers who are earing 3-5K/month after a year. Some will earn less. But then we have bloggers who only earn 140-150$/month and won’t ever earn more than 200-250$/month because their blogs are so niche. But, then, those bloggers probably wouldn’t earn more than that on their own. If you can find a blogger who’s working full-time who writes 24 posts per week and works less (and has always worked less) than 5 hours per week on their blog including posting I’d be very, very impressed.
Conclusion
So what’s the point of all of this? There isn’t one.
1. People who work their butts off at blogging will earn more than people who don’t.
2. People who know programming, design, hosting and advertising will earn more than people who don’t.
3. People who really try and grow their traffic through every means imaginable will get more traffic than people who don’t.
Anything else is conjecture. Will someone earn more in 2 years than our bloggers do on our pay scale right now? Sure. But if we increase that pay scale by 50-75%? How about if we increase the base pay to 250$? Maybe.
The truth of the matter is this: lots of people who out there know a lot about making money online. But if we created an ad unit where we guaranteed other bloggers 1$CPM, you can bet we’d have tens of thousands of bloggers all over it in a few months. And that’s effectively what we do for our bloggers.
Could we pay them more? Yeah. Do we wish we were paying them more? No doubt. But as a first step in a 1-month old pay system?
It’s not a bad start.
Have A Better Way?
As always, while we’ve put a lot of time and effort into this… And while our bloggers have put a lot of time and effort into this, we’re more than happy to hear other ideas for ways to pay bloggers that are fair, simple (anyone can look at their stats and know what they earned *that day*) and doesn’t make b5 lose money.
Have a problem? Propose a solution
#1 by Mike Rundle - February 26th, 2007 at 15:22
Hey Jeremy, I hope this turns into a good discussion for blogger pay because I think many people hope that bloggers will be paid not according to how other bloggers are paid but how *writers* are paid. You guys are one of the few with VC money so I’m sure your writers would love to see cash advances similar to how books are structured and say $.50 per word like freelance writers.
“The monetary value b5 brings is really only about half the picture. Not having to worry about design, programming, hosting, etc, is worth (in industry terms) about 250$/month (that’s what you’d pay an outside firm to manage the day-to-day of your websites, even if you had the money).”
As someone who is an independent blogger (and likes to think he knows about design, hosting, etc. lol) I’d like to discuss that idea. It may have been the case a few years ago, but now there are many great cheap-to-free hosted blog solutions that millions of people are using. Wordpress.com is free, hosted, built on the backbone of a great open source platform, and lets you choose from dozens (or hundreds maybe) of well-designed templates that you can drop into your blog with just a click. TypePad is only a few bucks per month and offers similar options and various designs as well.
I think the argument for b5media would be better played if more was made of the potential advertising connections and incremental pay raises after X months of writing rather than hosting/design, but that’s just my opinion.
#2 by Jeremy Wright - February 26th, 2007 at 16:18
Mike, I agree that overall blogger writing pay needs to go up. I’m not sure the average is every going to be 1$/word, or even 50c/word, as the average blogger quality isn’t the same as the average freelancer quality. Also, one of the reasons per-word rates are higher for freelancers is that the articles require a lot more work than just the typing.
Also, you will never, ever see a writer getting 50c/word on a book. On mine, I got a great advance / royalty rate (2-3x industry norm) and it was less than 25c/word *after* royalties.
That said, this is an important discussion, as long as everyone understands that the economics are entirely different.
On hosted platforms, while I appreciate what you’re saying, you’re missing something fairly important. Wordpress.com won’t allow you to put ads up. And TypePad won’t help you land Text Link Ads or any text links at all. Both of which put a fairly serious crimp into a blogger’s plans to earn money.
Which means that if a blogger wants to earn money, they need to do the average 2-3 hours per week (when averaged out) that most bloggers spend just doing monotonous stuff. The stuff we take care of. If you went to one of the companies that provide blog support, it would cost you 150-250$/month to get what we provide for free.
Does that mean what we provide is perfect? Far from it. We have a long ways to go in areas such as design, reducing the number of ads, less reliance on AdSense, SEO and a hundred other things.
In terms of the new pay structure, it rewards bloggers in 3 key way: 1) for their writing, 2) for the traffic they bring and 3) for the length of time they are with a blog (per your “pay raises after X months of writing”.
Again, I honestly believe we have a long way to go. If you have some kind of specific idea for how a new kind of payment structure could work that is fair to small blogs, multi-author blogs, owned blogs, large blogs and doesn’t cost a company of our size more than 50-75K/month I’d be more than happy to hear it.
It’s something we really struggled with. Balance in these situations isn’t as easy as some folk might think. I’d honestly love to get your feedback at SXSW, because more heads are better than less
#3 by chrispian - February 26th, 2007 at 18:32
Jeremy, if you guys throw together some sort of “blog network” get together at SXSW, I’d love to attend. I know we aren’t big fish yet, but we are facing the same problems and would love to hear what everyone else things and contribute to the conversation.
#4 by Jim Turner - February 26th, 2007 at 19:41
Speaking not as a network owner or President, I think that my business too at One By One Media and Bloggers For Hire sometimes gets called out for our payment practices. We pay our bloggers top dollar and usually more than a network and more than they can earn with ads. With that said, our work is farther and fewer between than just the every day advertising earner through adsense or as a network blogger. I do see that we have similar problems with pay and it is a self correcting market at this point. As the need for bloggers increases, it will soon be a better paying position, but as long as we have 67 million of them to choose from and they all are doing it for free and would love to get a little bit for their effort, we will have the problems faced right now about “not paying enough”. If I can get a quality blogger and pay them $500 a month or if I can find the same blogger at $100 a month, which would I choose as a business owner? Bloggers often sell themselves short because they don’t understand the market. For us business owners in this market it makes it tough, so we have to add other value add items like management of the blog, web analytics and other things that bloggers perform as experts, but we cannot charge for these things because there are bloggers out there doing it for free. Sooner or later, as this becomes more of a mainstream position, the ones that stick it out now and offer what others are not offering will benefit from an industry correction, but until then, we have to hold on and do what we can to be profitable and hope it comes soon.
#5 by Jeremy Wright - February 26th, 2007 at 20:16
Chrispian,
Love to. I don’t know Austin at all, otherwise I’d book a time/place
#6 by chrispian - February 26th, 2007 at 20:37
Me either. And by the sounds of things, most everything is booked up anyway. Maybe we can just find a quiet room somewhere and drink too much, argue about blog networks and then drink some more until we are at that “I love you man” point and call it a night
#7 by Jeremy Wright - February 26th, 2007 at 20:59
Sounds good. My cell number’s on my About page, so ping me when you’re in town and we’ll try and at least coordinate 2-3 of the networks and let whoever else shows up join in
#8 by chrispian - February 26th, 2007 at 21:38
Sounds like a plan!
#9 by Jason - February 26th, 2007 at 23:42
your numbers about Weblogs, Inc. are way off.
Weblogs, Inc. when i was running it a couple of months ago was paying AT LEAST $10 per post, and many folks were making $15 or more (think for feature stories, or working for the larger blogs).
Folks were doing 2-4 posts per hour, so they were making at least $20 an hour but probably more like $30 to $50.
You should correct the part above…. weblogs, inc. hasn’t paid $5 a post for years!
#10 by Martin Neumann - February 27th, 2007 at 05:19
Interesting insight, Jeremy - thanks for sharing and your views.
Abe over The Blog Herald has a decent post offering up some good food for thoughts on this whole debate.
#11 by Jim Redmond - February 27th, 2007 at 11:17
Blogging in a network is a much safer way to make a little money for blogging. You talk about taking 14 months to come out ahead, but you don’t mention that it might never catch on and end up costing $$$ for the priviledge of failing.
#12 by Easton Ellsworth - February 27th, 2007 at 13:23
Great post, Jeremy. I’m willing to toss ideas around with anyone here.
#13 by raj - February 27th, 2007 at 15:48
Jeremy, i think i have to agree with you. I’ve blogged based on pymt per post and earn enough to live on. My own sites - about 50 in number - collectively earn around $400/m, and that’s after nearly 2 years of working long hours, 7 days/wk.
I think you guys have come up with a fair means of pay. My advice: go with what works for you - both bloggers and publishers. That said, I like being paid by the post because I know as an online publisher myself, and a published print writer and author, that everyone has to benefit, and the network effect makes the difference.
And since my own ability to write 5 or 10 or 20 posts in a day will determine how much I make, that’s my own personal preference. As long as my “client” (site owner) and readers are happy, I’m happy. I don’t care if they make more than me, provided I earn a decent amount - which I think I am.
#14 by raj - February 27th, 2007 at 15:58
In short, most bloggers will benefit being part of a network. If they think they can do it on their own, all power to them. But such a blogger is a rarity.
#15 by franticindustries - February 28th, 2007 at 10:23
A very informative post, with some cold-hard-truth facts and numbers. I’ve been so busy doing research and writing for my site that I’ve had very little time to investigate monetizing options, so this is a great resource.
I’d like to add one very important thing from my perspective. All ways of making money from a blog or any website aren’t equal. Sure, there are people who have a solid income, but in many cases it means their site is an ad hell which will never become really influential. If your primary goal is quality writing, influence, opinion-making, innovation - then monetizing your blog through a bunch of 500px wide AdSense blocks inside the text is not an option. Show me a network that will recognize quality and potential and invest in that, and I’ll sign right up.
#16 by Jenn - March 1st, 2007 at 16:57
The reality is that the question is moot… if folks weren’t being paid enough, they wouldn’t be “working” for b5, or any other blog network. Supply and demand.
#17 by DJ Armand - April 3rd, 2007 at 19:02
In my country, 300-400$ is a decent salary!
So quit complaining that bloggers don’t get paid enough…
Okay, I admit, for the work they’re doing, bloggers would deserve more, but payment will increase over time. I think…
#18 by b1 - August 16th, 2008 at 00:34
Jeremy,
The pay model you’ve adopted seems to be the most appropriate of all the ones floating out there. I believe Denton is doing something similar now.
But…how do the pageviews track over time? Is that pageview bonus over the lifetime of the article? Or does the bonus expire after so many months? Are you going to end up cutting former writers $3.50 checks 2 years from now?