Comments on: Google Blahnalytics http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/ I'm The Boss @ netmobs, past CEO of b5media, author of Blog Marketing and a hardcore Canadian Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:46:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: David http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48272 David Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:28:44 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48272 Two sites don't make it a moot point, nor does one company that's able to charge a lot for the service. I work with a few companies that have sites on that scale and except for one, they have their own stats servers in-house or with their host. They're still using similar programs, but they find the machines low maintenence and much lower cost. It's simply the cost of service/hardware and maintenence time (your time or someone else's paid time) vs the cost of complete outsourcing. Two sites don’t make it a moot point, nor does one company that’s able to charge a lot for the service. I work with a few companies that have sites on that scale and except for one, they have their own stats servers in-house or with their host. They’re still using similar programs, but they find the machines low maintenence and much lower cost.

It’s simply the cost of service/hardware and maintenence time (your time or someone else’s paid time) vs the cost of complete outsourcing.

]]> By: Jon Gales http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48266 Jon Gales Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:13:41 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48266 David: by that logic no one should use a webhost either. Just get a fiber drop and host your own. For a few companies (Google) that works, for most it's worth the expense to hire a firm that's specialized at it. Another beauty of hosted stats is that advertisers dig it--you can give them a login to see the stats directly and it doesn't depend on your logfile. Anway, it's a moot point as nearly all of the top sites use a hosted stats service. I just checked Apple.com and CNN.com and the both use Omniture. David: by that logic no one should use a webhost either. Just get a fiber drop and host your own. For a few companies (Google) that works, for most it’s worth the expense to hire a firm that’s specialized at it.

Another beauty of hosted stats is that advertisers dig it–you can give them a login to see the stats directly and it doesn’t depend on your logfile.

Anway, it’s a moot point as nearly all of the top sites use a hosted stats service. I just checked Apple.com and CNN.com and the both use Omniture.

]]> By: Jeremy Wright http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48263 Jeremy Wright Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:12:33 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48263 David, the cost of a hosted application vs a host-yourself application is just about the same at that scale ... At least based on my experiences at the Expo last week at AdTech :) David, the cost of a hosted application vs a host-yourself application is just about the same at that scale … At least based on my experiences at the Expo last week at AdTech :)

]]> By: David http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48262 David Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:09:06 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48262 Jon: I have no doubt about how big the log files get (if you maintain heavy logs, I'd estimate 400MM views a month can be 1.5-2gb log file per day) - however, if you have a site that big, there's no reason you shouldn't have your own stats server(s). It's more cost effective, even if you have to hire a contractor to set it up and maintain it for you. Jon: I have no doubt about how big the log files get (if you maintain heavy logs, I’d estimate 400MM views a month can be 1.5-2gb log file per day) – however, if you have a site that big, there’s no reason you shouldn’t have your own stats server(s). It’s more cost effective, even if you have to hire a contractor to set it up and maintain it for you.

]]> By: barry bell http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48258 barry bell Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:01:38 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48258 Yep, 48 hours here, too. Yep, 48 hours here, too.

]]> By: Zoli Erdos http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48257 Zoli Erdos Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:02:16 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48257 Jeremy, give <a href="http://www.measuremap.com/" rel="nofollow">MeasureMap</a> a try instead... it's blog-specific. Jeremy, give MeasureMap a try instead… it’s blog-specific.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48256 Duncan Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:29:38 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48256 Good, its not just me who is waiting, I started to think I must have stuffed something up. Good, its not just me who is waiting, I started to think I must have stuffed something up.

]]> By: Jon Gales http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48255 Jon Gales Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:57:49 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48255 David: Almost all larger sites outsource statistic services for a few reasons. First, really popular sites don't have the server space/power to keep logs let alone crunch them. If you get 400 million page views a month the log files get reeeaaaaly big and the hard drives can't spin fast enough. Crunching stats even for a smaller site can be very CPU intensive, especially for the kind of stats Urchin or Omniture provide. Add in things like doing stats across server clusters and what not and outsourcing starts to look really good. There's a reason why co's like Omniture charge $10s of thousands monthly for it. David: Almost all larger sites outsource statistic services for a few reasons. First, really popular sites don’t have the server space/power to keep logs let alone crunch them. If you get 400 million page views a month the log files get reeeaaaaly big and the hard drives can’t spin fast enough. Crunching stats even for a smaller site can be very CPU intensive, especially for the kind of stats Urchin or Omniture provide. Add in things like doing stats across server clusters and what not and outsourcing starts to look really good. There’s a reason why co’s like Omniture charge $10s of thousands monthly for it.

]]> By: Darren http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48254 Darren Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:17:56 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48254 48 hours and counting.... 48 hours and counting….

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ensight.org/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48252 Jesse Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:20:14 +0000 http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005/11/15/google-blahnalytics/#comment-48252 Just like Google to put out all that hype about a broken product. Just like Google to put out all that hype about a broken product.

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