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		<title>By: Jeremy C. Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-8013</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy C. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, no it&#039;s not &quot;that big&quot;. It&#039;s about 10-15 million users. Certainly not a huge percentage of Microsoft&#039;s overall user base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, no it&#8217;s not &#8220;that big&#8221;. It&#8217;s about 10-15 million users. Certainly not a huge percentage of Microsoft&#8217;s overall user base.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-8012</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to discredit his PR work but how many people has he actually touched to warrent this position or salary you are describing? You are a person running a blog talking about another person running a blog. But the bogging community isn&#039;t that big and certainly doesn&#039;t represent the whole realm of computer users. He is the human face on Microsoft in the blogging community. He is not the human face on Microsoft everywhere. He is recongizable right up there with Steve and Bill in the blogging community. There are many communities outside of blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to discredit his PR work but how many people has he actually touched to warrent this position or salary you are describing? You are a person running a blog talking about another person running a blog. But the bogging community isn&#8217;t that big and certainly doesn&#8217;t represent the whole realm of computer users. He is the human face on Microsoft in the blogging community. He is not the human face on Microsoft everywhere. He is recongizable right up there with Steve and Bill in the blogging community. There are many communities outside of blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-8011</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 01:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: good point.

Of course, if I&#039;m paid that much then I&#039;d probably have one of those &quot;executive blogs&quot; which seem to get a lot of traffic too.

No one seems to mind that Jonathan Schwartz is paid a lot of money. Or Mark Cuban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: good point.</p>
<p>Of course, if I&#8217;m paid that much then I&#8217;d probably have one of those &#8220;executive blogs&#8221; which seem to get a lot of traffic too.</p>
<p>No one seems to mind that Jonathan Schwartz is paid a lot of money. Or Mark Cuban.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-8005</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Jeremy. I may not have been clear, but you are also guilty of twisting my words too. Okay, let me try and put it another way:

Is there a difference - both in public and internal perception - of a person employed by Microsoft to be a technical evangelist, who makes under $100,000 annually, and who happens to be a very popular blogger... and a person who is being paid $250,000 annually by Microsoft to blog?

There most certainly is.

Whatever the claims of a Robert Scoble, whatever the words of a Robert Scoble.... in the former context one doesn&#039;t question his integrity, credibility, and motives nearly as much as in the latter context.

Now, is every staff blogger who is employoed by someone by definition in a position to potential cross the line into a conflict of interest? Of course. NDAs, non-complete clauses, trade secrets, all of it. Yes... by definition, the potential is ALWAYS legally there.

But again, all legalities aside - the reality is that many many more people would look at a Robert Scoble with a cautious eye if he suddenly receivedc a 250% increase in pay and was officially made the Microsoft blogger. It&#039;s simply a fact of life.

At this point Scoble has done a fantastic service for Microsoft with his blog. No question. And his reputation within MS should be very high because of it. But his effectiveness of &quot;putting a face&quot; to MS would be severely limited if this sort of thing happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Jeremy. I may not have been clear, but you are also guilty of twisting my words too. Okay, let me try and put it another way:</p>
<p>Is there a difference &#8211; both in public and internal perception &#8211; of a person employed by Microsoft to be a technical evangelist, who makes under $100,000 annually, and who happens to be a very popular blogger&#8230; and a person who is being paid $250,000 annually by Microsoft to blog?</p>
<p>There most certainly is.</p>
<p>Whatever the claims of a Robert Scoble, whatever the words of a Robert Scoble&#8230;. in the former context one doesn&#8217;t question his integrity, credibility, and motives nearly as much as in the latter context.</p>
<p>Now, is every staff blogger who is employoed by someone by definition in a position to potential cross the line into a conflict of interest? Of course. NDAs, non-complete clauses, trade secrets, all of it. Yes&#8230; by definition, the potential is ALWAYS legally there.</p>
<p>But again, all legalities aside &#8211; the reality is that many many more people would look at a Robert Scoble with a cautious eye if he suddenly receivedc a 250% increase in pay and was officially made the Microsoft blogger. It&#8217;s simply a fact of life.</p>
<p>At this point Scoble has done a fantastic service for Microsoft with his blog. No question. And his reputation within MS should be very high because of it. But his effectiveness of &#8220;putting a face&#8221; to MS would be severely limited if this sort of thing happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy C. Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-7998</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy C. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, so every staff blogger is, by definition, in a position of conflict of interest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, so every staff blogger is, by definition, in a position of conflict of interest?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-7996</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Has everyone taken leave of their senses? Has everyone forgotten the term &quot;conflict of interests&quot;? Have they also become blind to the reputation MS gained over the decade before Scoble was hired?

The very moment you pay a person $250,000 (that&#039;s a twenty-five with four zeroes) to do nothing but blog about a company - ANY company - you&#039;ve just officially added a PR person to your staff. You&#039;ve just made it official that you want editorial control over what they say. Period.

Look at the whole discussion everywhere about Marquis paying bloggers. To do what? To post about their product! Do you really think this would be any different?

Scoble takes abuse virtually every day for his pro-MS bias already. Nonetheless, he&#039;s respected for everything he is NOT... specifically that he is not really a MS shill. But this insane idea of publicly giving him a 250% raise and change in title would completely change all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Has everyone taken leave of their senses? Has everyone forgotten the term &#8220;conflict of interests&#8221;? Have they also become blind to the reputation MS gained over the decade before Scoble was hired?</p>
<p>The very moment you pay a person $250,000 (that&#8217;s a twenty-five with four zeroes) to do nothing but blog about a company &#8211; ANY company &#8211; you&#8217;ve just officially added a PR person to your staff. You&#8217;ve just made it official that you want editorial control over what they say. Period.</p>
<p>Look at the whole discussion everywhere about Marquis paying bloggers. To do what? To post about their product! Do you really think this would be any different?</p>
<p>Scoble takes abuse virtually every day for his pro-MS bias already. Nonetheless, he&#8217;s respected for everything he is NOT&#8230; specifically that he is not really a MS shill. But this insane idea of publicly giving him a 250% raise and change in title would completely change all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-7792</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astroturfing, why don&#039;t we just call it what it is.
We are astroturfing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astroturfing, why don&#8217;t we just call it what it is.<br />
We are astroturfing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mack D. Male</title>
		<link>http://www.ensight.org/2005/01/31/microsoft-needs-a-blogging-position/comment-page-1/#comment-7458</link>
		<dc:creator>Mack D. Male</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 04:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re missing the point Alex. For a company as large as Microsoft, the way you look at Robert Scoble is not from a direct bottom-line perspective. As Jeremy pointed out, Scoble is the &quot;human face&quot; of the company. He is the one person that does not seem so &quot;big company&quot;-ish. And for Microsoft, who is still in the process of revamping their corporate image, you couldn&#039;t ask for a better evangelist than Robert Scoble. He gives the kind of image that money simply cannot buy, so why not compensate him for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re missing the point Alex. For a company as large as Microsoft, the way you look at Robert Scoble is not from a direct bottom-line perspective. As Jeremy pointed out, Scoble is the &#8220;human face&#8221; of the company. He is the one person that does not seem so &#8220;big company&#8221;-ish. And for Microsoft, who is still in the process of revamping their corporate image, you couldn&#8217;t ask for a better evangelist than Robert Scoble. He gives the kind of image that money simply cannot buy, so why not compensate him for it?</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>TDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex makes a great point in his comment response above.

I was surprised when Scoble posted awhile back that he didn&#039;t make more than 100k. For all he does for M$, for all the great minds that he has personally and directly interacted with and/or has had access to, logic would suggest that he should be a millionaire by now, or certainly well on his way.

I guess this is a further example that blogging in and of itself isn&#039;t respected by the majority of corporate America in how it is directly tied to the bottom line. If it were, we&#039;d see more bloggers being hired for significant salaries. Can anybody name even one blogger who has been hired for corporate America &lt;i&gt;to do nothing but blogging&lt;/i&gt; and made $100k+? Instead, I think this is being assigned to PR departments and not getting a classification on its own which means the blogging will be done in the majority of cases half-assed at best (sorry PR people).

Scoble himself has said how much he does the blog in his spare time and not because it&#039;s part of his job. Therefore the fact that Scoble isn&#039;t making a quarter mill+ is because he hasn&#039;t successfully parlayed his exposure and publicity into a business model.

As much I wish Shel and he good luck with this project, I seriously doubt this book they are writing will make any of them any significant money. More likely it will just increase their public exposure and if they are smart they will figure out how to parlay that into more $$$.

Jeremy, I&#039;ll give you credit for being a guy who can convert publicity into $$$. Scoble, by his own admission, doesn&#039;t seem to have been able to do that yet with similar success and Shel I do not really know.

Personally and professionally, I would like to see blogging directly generating more income so it earns this much needed respect from the business world but the reality in this area is that it hasn&#039;t panned out (yet) any more than podcasting has had any significant impact (yet) on radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex makes a great point in his comment response above.</p>
<p>I was surprised when Scoble posted awhile back that he didn&#8217;t make more than 100k. For all he does for M$, for all the great minds that he has personally and directly interacted with and/or has had access to, logic would suggest that he should be a millionaire by now, or certainly well on his way.</p>
<p>I guess this is a further example that blogging in and of itself isn&#8217;t respected by the majority of corporate America in how it is directly tied to the bottom line. If it were, we&#8217;d see more bloggers being hired for significant salaries. Can anybody name even one blogger who has been hired for corporate America <i>to do nothing but blogging</i> and made $100k+? Instead, I think this is being assigned to PR departments and not getting a classification on its own which means the blogging will be done in the majority of cases half-assed at best (sorry PR people).</p>
<p>Scoble himself has said how much he does the blog in his spare time and not because it&#8217;s part of his job. Therefore the fact that Scoble isn&#8217;t making a quarter mill+ is because he hasn&#8217;t successfully parlayed his exposure and publicity into a business model.</p>
<p>As much I wish Shel and he good luck with this project, I seriously doubt this book they are writing will make any of them any significant money. More likely it will just increase their public exposure and if they are smart they will figure out how to parlay that into more $$$.</p>
<p>Jeremy, I&#8217;ll give you credit for being a guy who can convert publicity into $$$. Scoble, by his own admission, doesn&#8217;t seem to have been able to do that yet with similar success and Shel I do not really know.</p>
<p>Personally and professionally, I would like to see blogging directly generating more income so it earns this much needed respect from the business world but the reality in this area is that it hasn&#8217;t panned out (yet) any more than podcasting has had any significant impact (yet) on radio.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing you have to ask (or someone from Microsoft accounting will bring it up anyway) is what Scoble&#039;s writing has done for the bottom-line of the company. If he&#039;s to be paid 1/4mil (or whatever) to do blogging, will his effort bring more money to the company than what it&#039;s worth to them? Personally I like reading his site, but have I spent any money on Microsoft stuff lately? Well, got a new laptop that had WinXp pre-installed, but that would&#039;ve happened with or without a blog. Did you buy anything from Microsoft in the year 2004, and was that purchase directly/indirectly influenced by scoble.weblogs.com?

Also, if Waggener Edstrom was not paid by the number of times they use &quot;solution&quot; and &quot;framework&quot; in a press release, perhaps this site - http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/ - could just have an &quot;informal&quot; section, written by an intern, who would track various projects that Microsoft is working on and post the updates. Or hey, they could even get a blogger off eBay:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you have to ask (or someone from Microsoft accounting will bring it up anyway) is what Scoble&#8217;s writing has done for the bottom-line of the company. If he&#8217;s to be paid 1/4mil (or whatever) to do blogging, will his effort bring more money to the company than what it&#8217;s worth to them? Personally I like reading his site, but have I spent any money on Microsoft stuff lately? Well, got a new laptop that had WinXp pre-installed, but that would&#8217;ve happened with or without a blog. Did you buy anything from Microsoft in the year 2004, and was that purchase directly/indirectly influenced by scoble.weblogs.com?</p>
<p>Also, if Waggener Edstrom was not paid by the number of times they use &#8220;solution&#8221; and &#8220;framework&#8221; in a press release, perhaps this site &#8211; <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/</a> &#8211; could just have an &#8220;informal&#8221; section, written by an intern, who would track various projects that Microsoft is working on and post the updates. Or hey, they could even get a blogger off eBay:-)</p>
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