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I Can Be An Ass Sometimes
I’m sure longtime readers, and friends, won’t be very surprised, but sometimes I can be a real ass. A brand new blogger, Elliott Bäck posted something today. It was something I’d written about earlier.
He used Trackback to indicate that he’d talked about it as well. He hadn’t quoted me, which I took offence to.
In fact, here was my comment on his post:
Yes, and trackback spam’ll get you ostracized.
Use trackback more wisely next time, please :)
If you want to notify me that you’re talking about something I’ve talked about, but aren’t actually quoting me, feel free to use email :)
If Elliott had been a longtime, and known, Trackback spammer my reaction would be one thing. But he isn’t and wasn’t. He’s a new, young, smart blogger who deserved better from someone as “wise” and “seasoned” (riiight) as me. Someone who’s helped hundreds of people start blogs really should know better.
I was an ass.
Here was my apology email to him, for what it’s worth:
Elliott,
Sorry, I was an ass. Having a rather bad day at work (and online), and took it out on the wrong people, yourself included.
Blogging is just like any community endeavour. There are lots of unwritten rules of etiquette which aren’t firmly established, aren’t observed by all and generally aren’t communicated very well.
Trackbacks are one of those gray areas. Everyone wants to know when:
1. You’re talking about what they’ve said (not just the topic they’re talking about)
2. You’re talking about them
3. You’re quoting what they’ve saidAnd this is really where most people see Trackbacks. As an extension of a conversation. I’m sure they have other perfectly valid uses, such as alerting someone to something topical you’ve written. However, lots of us … I’ll say “older” bloggers have literally written about hundreds of things. If I got a trackback everytime someone wrote about something related I’d be swamped. 2500 posts’ll do that do you.
But you’re right, it’s a perfectly valid reason. I shouldn’t have flipped out on you. Thanks to your Trackback I found your blog.
I’ll be issuing an apology right away. One of the things I love to do is to welcome folk to blogging, and I’m sure my comments made you feel decidedly unwelcome, and I feel (rightly) like an ass for doing it.
My apologies, for what it’s worth.
Jeremy
Rightfully, he’s blogged about all this.
If I was in school, the Principal would threaten that this would be “going on my permanent record”. Thankfully to Google, this will be on my permanent record. Hopefully I can learn from it.
I’ll leave you, the smart folk who don’t stick your ass in someone else’s face, witha quote from his post:
There might be a point to be made on indirection versus direction. If you quote a blog, trackback is 100% appropriate. But what if you’re commenting on the same topic? Isn’t it ok to point a reference to your own thoughts?
Yes, Elliott, it’s okay. It’s not the most common usage, but you’re right it isn’t wrong. Ultimately I should have been honoured that Elliott:
1. Found Ensight
2. Wanted to talk about something I’d talked about
3. Decided to let me know he’d talked about it
I should have been honoured. Instead I’m embarrassed.
Again, Elliott, my apologies.
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about 7 years ago
Mr. Wright,
For some reason, I haven’t been getting email since … say 3 PM this afternoon from external (non cornell.edu) domains–so your email might arrive late to my inbox. I wouldn’t want you to think I didn’t get it!
As for the trackback–don’t worry about it. I see I stepped into a somewhat murky grey-area, and I should be slightly more careful. As a computer science major, I honestly don’t think too hard about throwing links around, which could be a problem.
Besides–you were fairly gentle. This apology isn’t even needed. Jenett, on the other hand, seems to have had a stronger reaction and a “deny from” that’s quite a bit more annoying.
Still, thanks! I look forward to reading you in the future,
Elliott Back
about 7 years ago
Well golly gee willikers…
I learned something new today!
:|
about 7 years ago
Clue us in – what exactly is “trackback spam”?
about 7 years ago
“I Can Be An Ass Sometimes”
Hmm… I’m not convinced, let’s see some more proof ;)
about 7 years ago
I’ve had the same thing happen a few times. The first time was from a consultant who had done the same to more than a few others – that one made me feel dirty. And I’ve had a few more like yours that I’m OK with. Certainly it is a gray area and you have people on both sides of the issue – kind of like whether to top-post or not – but in the end I think if someone is making an honest effort to participate in a conversation where it doesn’t make sense to quote someone (probably when a lot of other people are writing about a topic) then I’m OK with it. If you are writing about something that someone else wrote about that was unique, however, then you probably should take the time to introduce a proper quote.
about 7 years ago
Dave, here’s an example of Trackback spam: http://www.ensight.org/archives/2004/01/05/what-the-hell-cempercom/
about 7 years ago
Mental Note: Only tracback Ensight if quoting.