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]]> By: Vinnie Garcia http://www.ensight.org/2004/09/as-the-fox-cometh/#comment-3279 Vinnie Garcia Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:44:03 +0000 /?p=1370#comment-3279 I'll try to address your rants/comments as best I can: <strong>IE not being the dominant browser:</strong> Initially it will make a lot of IE-only sites reconsider their decision and possibly start supporting non-IE browsers. After that, the status quo will be "IE and Mozilla", or "any browser" (what I'd prefer to happen, but sometimes webmasters are lazy) and not just IE. I don't think anybody is going to specifically code for Mozilla only for a long time, if ever. Like coding only for IE currently, it's not the smartest decision to make. <strong>Complacency:</strong> I think everyone's learned the lesson of complacency. Actually, this browser war reminds me of "the tortoise and the hare" (a tale I'm sure you'll probably recite a few times as your kids grow up). IE pushed to get adoption as quickly as possible, then took a nap. Now other browsers are catching up or exceeding IE in places where it used to hold the top spot. As long as the Mozilla group doesn't forget the lesson learned there they will be okay. <strong>Innovation:</strong> Yes, Firefox should innovate. So should Microsoft. They should also both follow standards. The question was never about adhering only to standards and nothing else as some would believe, but rather the order in which they're implemented. In my mind a browser should ensure interoperability first, then innovate with new/useful features. There are things that MS did with IE that other browser devs found useful and copied (innerHTML, XMLHTTP, overflow-x and overflow-y in CSS, etc.). These either still aren't part of a standard, or were standardized later. Where IE fell short was between IE5 and IE5.5/6, where almost nothing but proprietary features were added and nothing in the way of new W3C specs were implemented. As long as the browser innovations don't interfere or otherwise undermine other oft-used and implemented specs, I don't see why innovation can't continue. I’ll try to address your rants/comments as best I can:

IE not being the dominant browser:
Initially it will make a lot of IE-only sites reconsider their decision and possibly start supporting non-IE browsers. After that, the status quo will be “IE and Mozilla”, or “any browser” (what I’d prefer to happen, but sometimes webmasters are lazy) and not just IE. I don’t think anybody is going to specifically code for Mozilla only for a long time, if ever. Like coding only for IE currently, it’s not the smartest decision to make.

Complacency:
I think everyone’s learned the lesson of complacency. Actually, this browser war reminds me of “the tortoise and the hare” (a tale I’m sure you’ll probably recite a few times as your kids grow up). IE pushed to get adoption as quickly as possible, then took a nap. Now other browsers are catching up or exceeding IE in places where it used to hold the top spot. As long as the Mozilla group doesn’t forget the lesson learned there they will be okay.

Innovation:
Yes, Firefox should innovate. So should Microsoft. They should also both follow standards. The question was never about adhering only to standards and nothing else as some would believe, but rather the order in which they’re implemented. In my mind a browser should ensure interoperability first, then innovate with new/useful features. There are things that MS did with IE that other browser devs found useful and copied (innerHTML, XMLHTTP, overflow-x and overflow-y in CSS, etc.). These either still aren’t part of a standard, or were standardized later. Where IE fell short was between IE5 and IE5.5/6, where almost nothing but proprietary features were added and nothing in the way of new W3C specs were implemented. As long as the browser innovations don’t interfere or otherwise undermine other oft-used and implemented specs, I don’t see why innovation can’t continue.

]]> By: Nathan IsVery1337.com http://www.ensight.org/2004/09/as-the-fox-cometh/#comment-3278 Nathan IsVery1337.com Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:09:36 +0000 /?p=1370#comment-3278 <strong>Firefox Pre-Release 1.0</strong> I wanna try Firefox Pre-Release! Firefox Pre-Release 1.0
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]]> By: Geekbone @ Modern Jackass http://www.ensight.org/2004/09/as-the-fox-cometh/#comment-3277 Geekbone @ Modern Jackass Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:18:18 +0000 /?p=1370#comment-3277 <strong>On The Fame of Firefox</strong> You have a dinosaur on your desktop, and Microsoft is hoping that you won't notice. With all the security leaks ('they suggest "Use a different web browser"') and spyware vulerabilities in the Windows world, you'd think that a company with no... On The Fame of Firefox

You have a dinosaur on your desktop, and Microsoft is hoping that you won’t notice. With all the security leaks (‘they suggest “Use a different web browser”‘) and spyware vulerabilities in the Windows world, you’d think that a company with no…

]]> By: Jeremy C. Wright http://www.ensight.org/2004/09/as-the-fox-cometh/#comment-3276 Jeremy C. Wright Sun, 19 Sep 2004 00:11:48 +0000 /?p=1370#comment-3276 While I agree, it's not like IE suffers from that anymore than FF does. Where IE has ActiveX, FF has XUL. Same type of job (though ActiveX has a security model at least). My hope is that FF will stay lean and mean. But, really, once you hit a certain plateau, isn't it the natural tendency to want to "plus" the software? While I agree, it’s not like IE suffers from that anymore than FF does. Where IE has ActiveX, FF has XUL. Same type of job (though ActiveX has a security model at least).

My hope is that FF will stay lean and mean. But, really, once you hit a certain plateau, isn’t it the natural tendency to want to “plus” the software?

]]> By: G http://www.ensight.org/2004/09/as-the-fox-cometh/#comment-3275 G Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:40:06 +0000 /?p=1370#comment-3275 One advantage I think Firefox has over IE, Netscape, etc. is its non-commercialism. They won't be trying to lock you into a particular OS, won't be trying to push third-party stuff on you by bundling it in and bloating the browser, and so on. It shouldn't have much trouble staying a lean and mean basic browser. Geeks can add whatever else they want via plugins. One advantage I think Firefox has over IE, Netscape, etc. is its non-commercialism. They won’t be trying to lock you into a particular OS, won’t be trying to push third-party stuff on you by bundling it in and bloating the browser, and so on. It shouldn’t have much trouble staying a lean and mean basic browser. Geeks can add whatever else they want via plugins.

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